These two games, developed and played by former Jaystormers are only loosely connected with Jaystorm.  Due to Geography and the passage of time, these games have gone on divergent paths from the main Jaystorm game and in some ways are throw-backs to the original Star Wars systems from which both originated.

Here are some of the simularities between Jaystorm and the Bastard Games:

• Both games use a d6 die system.
• Both use similiar main attributes (i.e.- dex, str, kno..)
• "Lisboa's Game" has a psychic system similiar to the one used in Jaystorm.
• The Players and DMs are mostly former Jaystormers and share similiar roleplaying experiences.

• Both games have rolled "Rogue Skills" and "Fighter Skills" back into Dexterity and Perception.
• Learning new non-specialized skills is much easier to do. (Just raise a skill one pip above the base attribute)
• "Cisco's Game" has an extremely developed magic system which basically allows you greater flexibility of what you can do with magic.
• "Lisboa's Game" has several different magic systems for the different sources of magic in the universe. Some of which are: Antonomy (Demon Worship), Gjarti (Druid Magic), Orhtodoxy (Church Magic), Rune Casting and Symbiote.